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12 years 3 weeks ago #62847 by andy83
Replied by andy83 on topic Vegetarian or, Vegan

Kalypso wrote: I'm almost vegetarian too because I can't support animals being tortured.


I not agree. Animals are killed because we need them to be alive. We do like others animals do, too.

For example, a wolf kills a rabbit just because without him, he wouldn't be alive. Snakes eat rats, polar bears eat seals, whales eat other fishes. All the same just for one reason. Being alive.

We do the same: just to survive.

I'm not vegetarian. For me, eating a big entrecote, almost raw and red coloured inside with some french fries, is something similar to Paradise xD.

Nothin' more.

Being cruel with animals just 'coz of having fun disgusts me very much. Killing the animals ONLY because on their skin makes me sad. This kind of cruel things makes me to be ashamed of being Human.

But I need to eat meat to live, I need vegetables to live, I need milk, eggs, water to live. Everything is healthy for us if we eat properly.

Just my opinion ^^

Anyway, I wouldn't be able to live without the spanish cured ham, the iberic rump steak and other types of food made of pig. :grin:_____

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12 years 3 weeks ago #62849 by kalypso
Replied by kalypso on topic Vegetarian or, Vegan

Andy83 wrote:

Kalypso wrote: I'm almost vegetarian too because I can't support animals being tortured.


I not agree. Animals are killed because we need them to be alive.


Basically what you said is what I tried to explain with getting meat from the local farmers....
True, animals kill each other because they need something to eat. And in the early days of us humans we did the same...hunting, killing, eating. Reason: Hunger.

But today? Most meat you get is from animals who had been going through pain and torture right from the start of their poor lives. Held in cages, without any sanitary, no chance to live a "normal" life before they get killed. And then...? They are being transported in big trucks, without any water, without any space between them, many die a cruel death. Even if they survive that, they are being killed in masses, it happens often that they aren't really dead when the skin is being ripped off.

This is what I meant when I said I can't support animal torture. A cow and a pig do feel pain just like us human beings.

But, when the meat is from a local farmer that I know personally, I know that the animal has been living on green grass outside in the nature, and got killed fast, properly and without pain. This is the only way I can accept meat.

But still I prefer not to eat anything that has been alive somewhen....that's just me ;)

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12 years 3 weeks ago #62851 by tommi l?zzive
Replied by tommi l?zzive on topic Vegetarian or, Vegan

Andy83 wrote:

Kalypso wrote: I'm almost vegetarian too because I can't support animals being tortured.


I not agree. Animals are killed because we need them to be alive. We do like others animals do, too.

For example, a wolf kills a rabbit just because without him, he wouldn't be alive. Snakes eat rats, polar bears eat seals, whales eat other fishes. All the same just for one reason. Being alive.

We do the same: just to survive.


exactly, i mean...if ya somehow get lost in the woods or a freakin' jungle or sumthin' completly alone and helpless, there are many chances to get eaten by a wolf or any other animal.... and there's no judgement or forgiveness for them, HELL NO!!!, it's survival....us , humans, got the hability to "think" or else and to destroy this fukkin world and we sukk coz of that, but now, that some ppl hate us just coz we ate a fukkin chicken or cow or anything....it fukkin suxx!!!

Fukk Off!!

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12 years 3 weeks ago #62853 by *bettina*
Replied by *bettina* on topic Vegetarian or, Vegan

Tommi Lippstikk wrote:

exactly, i mean...if ya somehow get lost in the woods or a freakin' jungle or sumthin' completly alone and helpless, there are many chances to get eaten by a wolf or any other animal.... and there's no judgement or forgiveness for them, HELL NO!!!, it's survival....us , humans, got the hability to "think" or else and to destroy this fukkin world and we sukk coz of that, but now, that some ppl hate us just coz we ate a fukkin chicken or cow or anything....it fukkin suxx!!!

Fukk Off!!



If I got lost somewhere with little chance of surviving, I'd probably be able to eat human flesh.

But fortunately, we live in the so-called "civilized world" and we have so much choice on food.

I'm not vegetarian, but if I have to choose between a pizza with meat and a vegetarian pizza I choose the veg one.

I can't stand to see how animals are treated just to produce more and more income. Battery hens and animals in cages who will were born to make meat and nothing else. They are never let to go outside in the sun, not once in their life. This makes me so sick.
And the thing that makes me even more sick is that there are people who still (in the 21st century) talk about getting lost in the "freakin' jungle".

Please.

:rolleyes:

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12 years 3 weeks ago #62854 by tommi l?zzive
Replied by tommi l?zzive on topic Vegetarian or, Vegan
maybe coz the 21st century is full of gay-hippie-organizations like PETA or Greenpeace, rich ppl who wants to do sumthin' with their rich pathetic lives.... and those motherfukkers sell a lie to the ppl in order to get more aaa gay-hippie fanatics of sumthin' completly normal...i mean, there's nothing wrong in killin' some animal for livin?? or im a fukkin enemy of the world coz of that!!!??

fukk that "don't nuke the wales" shit...if im hungry im gonna eat whatever the fukk i want... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

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12 years 3 weeks ago #62856 by *bettina*
Replied by *bettina* on topic Vegetarian or, Vegan

Tommi Lippstikk wrote: maybe coz the 21st century is full of gay-hippie-organizations like PETA or Greenpeace, rich ppl who wants to do sumthin' with their rich pathetic lives.... and those motherfukkers sell a lie to the ppl in order to get more aaa gay-hippie fanatics of sumthin' completly normal...i mean, there's nothing wrong in killin' some animal for livin?? or im a fukkin enemy of the world coz of that!!!??

fukk that "don't nuke the wales" shit...if im hungry im gonna eat whatever the fukk i want... :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:



Nobody told you you can't eat the fukk you want Tommi.

Take some valium and relax.

;)

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12 years 3 weeks ago #62857 by tommi l?zzive
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it's just that im sikk n' tired of those fags!!! i see 'em all the time here in my fukkin country ¬¬

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12 years 3 weeks ago #62859 by andy83
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TO SUM UP :

Killing animals 'coz they're necessary to live is a good thing. Just because they're part of our diet (of course, not in vegeterian people ;) ).

killing animals 'coz of having fun, skin business or another kind of that fukkin' shit... THAT is a shame, dingy and really pathetic.

:)

Please, don't make a battleground of this post xD. ahahahah!!

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12 years 3 weeks ago #62861 by peterlondon
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Fukk, I have so much to say here....... but being a vego discussing vegetarianism with meat-eaters is like being adolf hitler discussing nazism with jews... = nothing good comes out of it.

The important thing is to do what yerself believe in.

“Well," said Pooh, "what I like best," and then he had to stop and think.
Because although Eating Honey was a very good thing to do, there
was a moment just before you began to eat it which was better than
when you were, but he didn't know what it was called.”
― A.A. Milne, Winnie-the-Pooh...

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12 years 3 weeks ago #62862 by tigerheart
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peterlondon wrote: Fukk, I have so much to say here....... but being a vego discussing vegetarianism with meat-eaters is like being adolf hitler discussing nazism with jews... = nothing good comes out of it.

The important thing is to do what yerself believe in.



And once again, Peter steps in and saves the day. :lol:

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12 years 3 weeks ago #62863 by raksu 13
Replied by raksu 13 on topic Vegetarian or, Vegan
no offense to anyone here but since tommy takes the freedom to call those in greenpeace and similar ngo's gay fags and stuff of the kind.. i will add that it's stupid and it just points out a lack of knowledge and respect towards people's moral values and lifes' philosophy.

you are claiming to be free and do whatever you want and then you are the first one going barking on those who do what they want to do and fight for what they believe it's true. You should read more and open your mind a bit more so that you can actually understand vegetarians. It's too easy to get to the topic "oh we kill animals to survive, cause a cat kills a mouse too and none blames them" That is NOT true and everyone in their healthy mind knows that. It's more than proven that human beings can live perfectly without meat of any kind and without killing animals. Fortunately our society has MANY things to keep us well fed, healthy and alive.

but like peter said, discussing this matter with meat eaters leads to nowhere.

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12 years 3 weeks ago #62867 by andy83
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Tigerheart wrote: And once again, Peter steps in and saves the day. :lol: ) I enjoy with that kind of dishes.

I think all these things depend of your culture/country and of course what Peter has said: yourself.

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